Hi

 

I have a talented colleague in my team, originally from an ineligible country but resident(living and studying) in an eligible country, is it possible for her to contribute?

Also a genius student of mine is living in a bad(?) country, may we have him as a member of our team?

 

I think that residency is subject to interpretation based on different countries rules.

 

Regards

Have received advice from the HPN lawyers. I'm really sad to say that the answer is no on all accounts.

Thank you for your reply. based on the given rules, I can accept it for my student.

but for my colleague, it means that no body, born in an ineligible counry can participate!? regardless of s/he is living and being a resident of another country based on the residency rules of that country. This consultancy, does not comply with the given rules and does not seem rational as it is not preventable. Further that it hurts some teams (at least ours) seriously.

The lawyers are taking a conservative stance on this issue. Apologies, it's really disappointing to have people ruled for this reason.

It may be that there is some confusion regarding the question versus what is written in the rules.

The rules state that eligible people in this competition are people that are residents of countries that are not found in the exclusion list.  The original question, in part, regarded a person that was born in an excluded country but is now a resident of a country not found on the exclusion list.

@anthony Could you ask the legal team to please reinterpret their ruling based on that fact, at least for the one colleague.

(P.S. Why do I care, since I'm working alone? Because I'm Christian)

 

I appreciate the clarification by fl-sd-com. As far as I know, professor Zadeh is Iranian and his country of origin was one of those excluded countries, too. No doubt he is the most famous name in computational world. I hope your decision help our team and similar, not to get hurt because of political issues. We discussed the issue and our university team is decided to exit, if our colleague can’t find academic atmosphere to breath. Thank you.   

There is one clarification I needed as well. The link to the US Treasury Office given in the rules section only cites lists of companies and nationals of foreign countries. There is no list of countries provided. Are Cuba, Sudan, Iran, North Korea, and Syria the only sanctioned countries? @fl-sd-com and @ashasho I believe fl-sd-com is correct, resident is a legal term used to represent the fact that a person is legally staying in a given country, so even a person born in Iran would be considered a resident of US or UK if he's staying/living there with a legal status.

Dr. Lotfi Asker Zadeh was born in Azerbaijan (Baku) and he has US passport/citizenship (you can always call embassy of Azerbaijan in US to double check).

Unfortunate that he chose to leave the competition.  A US Passport is considered proof of US Citizenship, generally.  It's unfortunate that he left because the original question was vague.

All the best in all you do while staying true.

@fl-sd-com I have a meeting with them in 20 minutes. I will be sure to raise this point.

 

My main concern is that, responses come because of enlighten people, who are originated from different nations even Syria, Iran or Cuba. Let me to give another example: taking 1940, may we refuse Einstein, because of being German, and Germany caused world wide war? 

 

Thank you for your note that helped me to study professor Zadeh's biography carefully. He is born in Baku/ Azerbaijan, from an Iranian father and Russian mother. He grow up in Iran (8-20) and then moved to the U.S. (http://azer.com/aiweb/categories/magazine/24_folder/24_articles/24_zadeh.html)

In response to @ashasho's original question, I have sought a re-examination of the issue. The HPN lawyers explained that the reason for the hard line is that they have no way to verify that residency permits comply with US legislation. I'm really sorry to say that there's not more I can do.

For some reason, my post didn't make it through correctly. I only have time to summarize. Your attorneys reanswered the same question using the same facts. New facts have been brought to light, however...specifically that the person in question holds a U.S. Passport. If your attorneys truly have any doubts, get a copy of the passport, which is considered as legal as the original document in U.S. Embassys around the world. That new fact should be more than enough to overturn the original ruling. If that's not good enough, show one of these legal eagles the very first page of a passport that explicitly states the bearer is a U.S. citizen or national. I understand you can easily rest on "the decision of the judges is final", but the way your lawyers are answering this question shows blatant disrespect to one of our countrymen.

Hold on, a US citizen, with a valid US passport cannot participate because he was born to a wrong set of parents??? Am I reading this right, or did I miss something?